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« on: April 14, 2006, 10:31:46 pm »


More ‘mean-looking’ ASVs planned for Iraq
GIs praise safety, speed of Armored Security Vehicles

By Jeff Schogol, Stars and Stripes
Mideast edition, Friday, April 14, 2006




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The Army has been using Armored Security Vehicles in Iraq for several months and hopes to get more on the roads soon.


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Spc. Eric Davenport, left, and Spc. David Norris, both with Battery C, 1st Battalion, 17th Field Artillery, load grenades into the internal turret of an Armored Security Vehicle.


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Spc. David Norris, 24, of Hood River, Ore., prepares to load the .50-caliber machine in the turret of his Armored Security Vehicle. Norris said he feels safer in the ASV than in a Humvee.


CAMP ANACONDA, Iraq — Spc. David Norris swivels like a ball-turret gunner in an old bomber as he moves the internal turret of his Armored Security Vehicle to check for prowling insurgents on a main Iraqi road.

With a turret that allows gunners to fire while inside the vehicle, three layers of armor and an imposing look, the ASVs also have a distinct psychological effect on those inside and out of the vehicles, soldiers said.

The ASV is part of the evolving war-scape of Iraqi roads, which has proven to be a tough battleground for Humvees.

Norris, 24, has been a gunner in both a Humvee and an ASV.

“I feel 100 percent safer in this vehicle than I do in the Humvee,” said Norris, of Battery B, 1st Battalion, 17th Field Artillery.

Being able to fire while inside the vehicle means he doesn’t have to worry about being exposed to snipers and shrapnel, he said. And ASVs have more firepower than Humvees, armed with both a .50-caliber machine gun and an MK 19 grenade launcher, Norris said.

First Lt. Layne Matthews, 29, said the ASV’s appearance gets the message across to insurgents.

“It’s just mean-looking,” said Matthews, of Billings, Mont.

ASVs are shaped like a boat on wheels in order to make sure that anything that hits them is deflected away from the vehicle, said Spc. Eric Davenport, 29.

As of now, there are only a couple hundred ASVs in the theater, said Spc. Brandon Price, 24, of Battery B, 5th Battalion, 113th Field Artillery. Price, who showed off the ASV last week, said one reason there are relatively few ASVs in Iraq is that each component in them has to be built by hand and the company that makes them is in Louisiana, meaning production was affected by Hurricane Katrina.

But the military ultimately plans to field several thousand of the vehicles in Iraq, officials said.

While soldiers praised the ASV’s increased protection and speed, some say the vehicle still has some drawbacks.

For example, it is so cramped inside that some crews leave certain gear behind, they said. Also, with few windows, the ASVs have far less visibility than Humvees, and sometimes gunners won’t hear enemy fire, they said.

That is why it is important to have ASVs work in conjunction with other vehicles, such as normal Humvees, in order to provide full protection, soldiers said. Still, ASVs have distinct advantages over Humvees.

Price said that when he was in a Humvee, the 6-foot-4 gunner on his crew would stand exposed to Iraqi insurgents.

“Inside the vehicle, he has no worries. He’s completely contained. He feels a lot safer and a lot more comfortable than in a Humvee,” Price said.

Although there are relatively few in Iraq, the ASV has proven to be a new type of road warrior that can take punishment from insurgents who would take out Humvees. Only three ASVs have been knocked out of commission by roadside bombs or rocket-propelled grenades, and all three were back on the road within a week, Price said.

To combat roadside bombs, the Army has taken charge of putting extra armor on Humvees. But the Humvee’s design limits the amount of extra armor that can be added to it to protect against roadside bombs, said Kevin M. McConnell, deputy director of an Army-Marine Corps project to replace the Humvee.

“We created a big steel box in theater right now that weighs more than the Humvee suspension and chassis can take, so we are wearing vehicles out,” he said.

In the next five years, the Marines hope to begin fielding a combat tactical vehicle to replace the Humvee, McConnell said. The new vehicle will be designed to protect troops inside from explosions underneath, he said.

McConnell said he is a “big fan” of the Humvee, but the vehicle’s time has come.

“There are fewer vehicles on the road today that are as old as the Humvee, so its basic automotive designs are out of date and certainly it was never designed to be as heavily armored as they are today. In order to get to that heavily armored capability, we have to look at a new design,” he said.

In the meantime, the Army is working to give Humvee gunners more protection by fielding a system that allows gunners to fire their weapons from inside their vehicles, said Sgt. 1st Class Larry Rigsby, 37, an instructor with U.S. Army TACOM Life Cycle Management–Rock Island, Ill.

Known as the Common Remotely Operated Weapon Station, the system allows gunners to fire the weapons via a joystick and camera with “one-shot, one-kill” accuracy, Rigsby said.

So far, only a few hundred have been fielded, but monthly production is expected to double beginning in May, Rigsby said.
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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2006, 01:42:01 am »

Cool an 1117 those were running up and down tampa when i left.Contrary to that at least in our AO there were a lot of these and between us and them is where most IED's are found.RIPCORD.
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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2006, 02:47:21 am »

There is a company in SC that is making an armored vehicle for Iraq.
I need to find out what kind and get some pics.
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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2006, 02:54:16 am »

Found my on answer.

http://www.forceprotection.net/models/cougar/
http://www.forceprotection.net/models/buffalo/


FORTHCOMING MINE-AND-BLAST PROTECTION
Earlier this month, I became the first journalist to ride in the prototype vehicle for what may well be the replacement for the up-armored Humvee. The prototype vehicle is known as the Mine-protected Utility Vehicle/Rapid Deployable (MUV-R). Earlier names included "Lion," that name was scrapped because, as Joynt says, the King of Swaziland's armored vehicle was christened, "Lion." The next name was "Kodiak," but Chevrolet was first with that moniker.

The MUV-R's manufacturer, South Carolina-based Force Protection, is currently producing much-larger mine-and-blast protective vehicles — the Buffalo and the Cougar — which are already in service with U.S. forces in Iraq. The Buffalo, which CBS News' Bob Schieffer called a "Humvee on steroids," is a mine-clearance vehicle. The Cougar is a troop transport, but geared for the same market that the M113 armored personnel carrier would be. Not a Humvee.

Therein lies the problem.

"The Humvee is a glorified jeep," says Blount. But the Army and Marines are now using the Humvee for a purpose for which it was never intended.

So it's not so much a question of replacing the Humvee, as much as it is developing a brand new armored vehicle with the same speed, climb, and general off-road performance capabilities of a Humvee.

That may well be the MUV-R, and that vehicle could be on the ground and running in the fourth quarter of 2006, a phenomenal feat considering the concept was realized one year ago. And vehicles weren't initially slated to roll of the line until 2007.

Today, a fully armored proof-of-concept vehicle is charging over the hills and racing around the mud and red clay roads in the backcountry of South Carolina, not far from where the Buffalo and Cougar are manufactured in Ladson.

At 10-12 tons — more than twice the weight of an up-armored Humvee — the MUV-R cruises at 65 miles per hour with burst speeds of up to 80. It can carry 6-to-10 fully armed soldiers, and it has a roof-mounted weapons system, remotely controlled by the right front-seat passenger, giving a whole new meaning to the term, "riding shotgun."

Moreover, the vehicle's design features can enable it to withstand — basically deflecting — enormous blast and ballistic impact from every angle.

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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2006, 05:05:54 pm »

Wendell here you go.

Here is a link to more info on the Cougar/Tempest Mine Protected Vehicle

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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2006, 05:22:40 pm »

we had five of these roll through Scania on flats,anyone ever seen one?WTF is this bugger.

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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2006, 08:18:16 pm »

Only 2 axles.
Lot of weight for just two.
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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2006, 04:20:46 pm »

I rode one mission in a buffalo. pretty awesome machine. We didnt find any ieds that day.
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2006, 02:16:07 am »

We had two ASV's in our platoon. They were great for Gate security and convoy runs as long as we stayed on major roads. There were times that we had to take some PMOI's to the hospital in Baghdad and as we got off the main roads, it was a tight squeeze. Some times the intersections would cluster up and there was no way to turn around, so we would have to back them up to a previous intersection, stop and clear traffic so as to turn around. Those that have been in the heart of Baghdad business area can relate.
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2007, 10:46:56 am »

Whatever happened to the Cadillac-Gage V-100s? 
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2007, 06:56:25 am »

The 1970s ended....
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2007, 09:30:42 pm »

Look at the ASV, the Lineage to the V-100 & V-150 is there. Saudi NG used them in GW1 during the Al-Khafji battle. Several were hit, catastrophic kill.

ASV is nice unless your ROE precludes the 40mm/.50 Combo, good for those open roads like Tampa...
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2007, 12:08:24 am »

first time i saw one, i thought it WAS a V-150 like the ones in use at JRTC by the OPFOR
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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2007, 03:29:55 pm »

What the hell, isn't that an old soviet design?
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2007, 07:46:32 pm »

the V-150's we had at polk were designed to emulate the BMP, we also had vis-modded humvees for same reason, namely, simulate soviet vehicles for blufor to train against
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